New lick to learn...

[Henry II]

Originally posted by Flarobstix:
first of all, i'm just playin'. Second of all, I believe learning a lick or two is healthy. However, most of us need licks and we believe that improvisation is re-organizing your licks. That's why I personally don't think any of todays modern fusion players are real improvisors.
They have spent years learning licks inside out placing them in different time signatures and trying to place them musically. There's nothing wrong with that. Thats the way most musicians approach it.
Well, I'm not a real improvisor. I think Paul Motian, Jack Dejohnette, Ornette Coleman, Keith Jarret, Bill Stewart, Peter Erskine, and a few others are.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You forgot Al Foster.

[got_a_matchgrip]

Absolutely.

I echo a sentiment put forth by another HODhb member;-) a long time ago [approx couple/few yrs], that Weckl is one of the ultimate licks drummers, & i agree; but that is in no way an "insult" at all...he has taken the concept of "licks" & elevated it to a very lofty & musical status, IMHO. Yet he can still improv, in his own idelible way, w the best of them. His use of his own "licks" transcends the notion of himslef using licks...that is, he uses licks in a very unique AWA musical fashion which enhances the accompaniment, to the point where they're not nec just "licks" anymore per se, but rather incredibly improv'd [beyond "licks"]...OK, whatever, i hope you get my drift...

"Life is like an ice-cream cone [or "Wecksicle"]...you have to learn to lick it..." [img]wink.gif[/img] [There's nothing "funny" to be read into that, b4 it gets to that...]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 03, 2005 12:27 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>

[troutbrooke]

Allan Holdsworth:
"The whole concept of this lick thing is kind of offensive to me, because I don't think that's what it's about. A lick to me emphasizes the fact that it's something that you've played before, which is something that i really don't want to do, even though I do it, because when you run out of ideas, and you're lost and you're stuck, my brain will only do so much. Then i go, "Oh geez, I'm not playing that shit again am I?"

But really, the whole idea of music is exactly the opposite of that. You have to practice things that will allow you to have control, I suppose eventually. The idea is to practice so you have enough control over the instrument to actually be able to play what you can hear, and then that way you really are truly connected to the instrument.

To play licks means that you sat down and figured out a few licks and are trying to find a place to put them all."

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[Vdrummer]

Yes, Weckl is obviously very licky. I think the ultimate licks drummer would be one you couldn't tell was using licks.

[Henry II]

Buddy Rich was very much a licks drummer, but, he used them to enhance his incredibly musical phrasing, not as the phrasing itself. Listen to enough Buddy and his trademark licks become very recognizable. Yet, I can say that, IMHO, he's never played an inappropriate note. Everything he does seems perfect under the circumstances. Gadd is like that too. He doesn't play with the speed or power of Buddy, but his use of standard rudiments applied to the kit are some of the most interesting licks ever played.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 31, 2005 08:36 PM: Message edited by: Henry II ]</font>

[Vdrummer]

I agree about Gadd. Last night I wrote out the original version of Crazy Army (by Ed Lemley) that Gadd has turned into a drum set classic solo, so I could get a grasp of where his thing came from. I'm teaching it to a lot of my students so they can get some rudiments down while learning some of SG's funky phrasing.

Buddy was a great, great drummer. One of a kind.

[cjbdrm]

Speaking of licks...

Everyone knows John "J.R." Robinson's lick on Steve Winwood's Higher Love, right? That's a killer lick.

[Lee Collins]

Originally posted by cjbdrm:
Speaking of licks...

Everyone knows John "J.R." Robinson's lick on Steve Winwood's Higher Love, right? That's a killer lick.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just listened to the whole song. Great groove and tasty licks, but I don't know where the killer lick is. [img]confused.gif[/img]

[Shawn40]

A big lick :

"When A Man Love A Woman" by Michael Bolton, Jeff on drums !!!
INCREDIBLE !!!

Yeah.

[donu]

Originally posted by Rodge:
A big lick :

"When A Man Love A Woman" by Michael Bolton, Jeff on drums !!!
INCREDIBLE !!!

Yeah.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Will be hard to listen to Michael Bolton but i'll give a try [img]biggrin.gif[/img]